Geeky Office Decor: From Blank Walls to Conversation Starters
Welcome to GT Radio on the Geek Therapy Network. Here at Geek Therapy, we believe that the best way to understand each other and ourselves is through the media we care about. My name is Josué Cardona. I am joined by Lara Taylor.
Kayla:Hey. And Kayla Devorak.
Josué:Hello. Hello. Welcome back, Kayla.
Lara:Well, thank you for having me.
Josué:I'm so happy be back. We like you so much. You get to choose this week's topic.
Kayla:That's right. This is my second or third time choosing now. I feel so special.
Lara:I think it's like your third it's anytime anytime you wanna come by. Just pick a topic and come on
Kayla:by. Strolling on through the neighborhood.
Josué:Yeah. Thanks for stopping by.
Kayla:Thanks for having me.
Josué:Alright. So we're talking about office spaces. This is an idea that you brought up previously. You brought it up on our Slack.
Kayla:Yep. I did. I did.
Josué:Kayla, you're typing and distracted. And I am. I was typing my best. Need a minute.
Kayla:I'm good now.
Josué:Thank you. You're okay? Okay. Let's start let's start over. Just a little okay.
Josué:Kayla, so I don't know where to cut this in. Sorry, Marc. No. I'm not sorry, Marc.
Lara:This is your punishment, Marc.
Josué:This is your punishment. Is punishment. The plan. This is
Kayla:the plan.
Josué:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kayla, you you get to choose the topic. What do you wanna talk about?
Kayla:We're talking about office decorations.
Josué:Decorations? What kind of offices? What kind of decorations?
Kayla:Any offices, I guess. I don't know. I mean, I would say a therapy office, but I don't do therapy anymore. So that doesn't count. So, you know, geeky offices, I guess.
Josué:Kayla, recovering therapist.
Kayla:Yeah. I'm I'm on a podcast.
Lara:Therapist. Two recovering therapists.
Kayla:We are taking initiations.
Josué:It is a club
Kayla:Welcome to join us. Once we get four, we will start our own podcast. But no, we won't. That's not true.
Kayla:We won't do that.
Josué:I don't know. I'm not I'm not against it. But that that may take a while.
Josué:So for now, I think it's a good topic because it's something that's come up a lot. I mean, honestly, we we've dealt with it in the past, right, as we are as when we were building our our own offices. But something that comes up a lot is when when, like, students come to me or early career professionals, they're like, I I don't get to be geeky. Like, I don't get to like, how can I express myself? Like, how can I express my fandoms and my interest?
Josué:And I always tell them to start with their office, just like see what you can get away with to put in there. And like, that's not always easy. Like, I've done in home therapy, which means I don't have an office. I'm going my office is in my backpack or whatever it was that I was taking with me and and kind of setting up. Also, lot of people share offices, so it's not like yours to decorate.
Josué:I still think there's ways to to do it. But let's assume that you have a space that's your own and you you can actually decorate it. I would say, like, the the first thing I wanna establish here is that, like, my suggestion is just start putting stuff out there that you like. Start start little by little. Right?
Josué:Like, don't don't stack up. Don't don't have a pyramid of Funko Pop boxes. Like, don't
Lara:Look like, do yourself your best. Yourself
Kayla:some geek geeky tchotchkes.
Josué:Mhmm. Little tchotchkes. Mhmm. Yep. Little tchotchkes.
Josué:So like what size are we talking about?
Kayla:I mean, I have well, I have relatively decent sized. I don't have Funko pops in my office.
Josué:Okay.
Lara:You can get some like blind bag, blind box.
Josué:You can get little ones, but I have I
Kayla:have like a one of the ones I have is like an actual Vault Boy bobblehead.
Lara:I've got one of
Josué:those. Okay.
Kayla:So that's a okay size. I also have a really big office now. I previously as a therapist also had a big office. That office was also really big. So I had a lot of wall space.
Kayla:I have a lot of wall space now.
Josué:So Okay. Okay.
Kayla:It's been a very long time since I've had my own office. So Yeah. I haven't gotten and I have been, you know, I don't know.
Josué:So I mean, this is this is the catalyst for the conversation. Right? Yes. Was the
Kayla:catalyst. Yes. And like my style has also kind of changed. It's shifted a little bit from where it was. It's evolved into a variety of things less less entirely video game focused and more a variety.
Kayla:It's eclectic, leaky geeky at this point.
Josué:Okay. So walk me through walk me through this, right? You you you have a new role. You have a new office. You look in there.
Josué:It's plain. Mhmm. It's got nothing in there. It's very depressing. Walls.
Josué:Lot of Maybe some beige. It was in grayish in there. Right? So like, what are you thinking? What are you thinking?
Kayla:Yeah. I mean, I walked in and I was like, ugh, I gotta figure out. I got yeah. I was like, shit. I gotta figure out what to put on these walls.
Kayla:And I there's a lot of wall space. And so far, I've kind of started small because the one wall is massive, but And then there's like these two, you walk in and then there's like those two cabinets that you can like slide the fronza up. They're like file cabinet type mounted things. So the first thing I did was brought in this like super subtle and or print that I have had since I was a therapist. It was a birthday gift that they're when I turned 30.
Kayla:It was a birthday gift. And I had just put it up, had just put it up in my office, my therapy office, and then COVID hit. And then I left the field, like two months later. So then it was stayed at the house. And then I got a different job in a shared office space and managed to find a way to put it up.
Kayla:I just decided, you know what, it's gonna get put up. I'm taking this picture down and this is I'm gonna put this Star Wars picture up. And nobody really said anything. And it was like the one thing I could vibe with. Okay.
Kayla:And that was the first thing I put up. I didn't mount it on the wall. It's sitting up on on that ledge on one of the cabinets. And then I added the
Josué:And for that, how'd you feel? How'd you feel? Once It that was
Kayla:was lovely. I was like, hey, this thing has just followed me from job to job. It's fine. It's great. It's also really pretty to look at.
Kayla:So
Josué:That helps.
Kayla:It's always fun to see people find the Death Star in the fog. So, know, yeah. Cool.
Josué:But that wasn't enough.
Kayla:That wasn't enough. It was clearly not enough. Then I brought in a crocheted Yoda. A little a little or well, technically baby Yoda. And then I brought in a, the new, I had a newspaper colored, like a newspaper themed Spider Man.
Kayla:And he's hanging upside down from a light post. And I've had that, I think I got that in a loot crate. RIP loot crate.
Josué:Mhmm. It doesn't exist anymore? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure
Kayla:it died many years ago.
Lara:It got bought by another company that tried to save it. And I think it
Kayla:Yeah. I don't think anyone saved it. I think it just died a horrible death. And then I brought in the Vault Boy bobblehead.
Josué:Okay.
Kayla:And those are all sitting up on the top on that cabinet. And then I put together the Princess Leia helmet, the Lego set. And then I decided to tackle the walls and brought in some Dessa Bandana. She's a local rapper here in Minneapolis. She's fantastic.
Kayla:If you haven't heard her, check her out. And then I so I put those up and then I put up it's I don't quite know if it's necessarily like a I don't know how you describe it, but it's the Lord of the Rings print. I brought that in And it's it takes the whole it's the whole Lord of the Rings story from like when they leave to when they go to the drop the ring in the mountain.
Josué:Like an infographic?
Kayla:It's I don't it's like I don't know how to
Josué:describe A timeline?
Kayla:Yeah. It's kinda like it's like a pictured timeline. There's a word for that. Well, Like a tapestry. Yeah.
Kayla:It's like a yeah. But I well, you can frame it. I put it in Yeah. Something that makes it look like a wall scroll.
Lara:Yeah. But like, yeah, like a tapestry that would tell a story like Yes.
Kayla:Medieval times. Kinda like a tapestry. Yeah. Okay. But it doesn't go it doesn't go like it goes vertically and not horizontally.
Josué:Okay.
Kayla:So I brought that in. That sits behind that is on the wall behind my desk. So that's fun. People can see that when they walk right in. It's like right to the right when they walk in the office.
Kayla:And then I put up a bunch of little pictures and stuff from my life on the little tack board that I have. And I brought in some fidgets. I've got a dragon fidget that articulates, a bunch of fidget spinners, little things like that. And then recently I got a calendar that my coworker has told me is only mildly spooky. Only mildly spooky.
Kayla:Yeah, don't think that's spooky enough, but it's fine. It's kind of like a, I don't know, I found this artist, this digital artist online and was like, I really like his art and it's fun. So, and he had a calendar and I thought, Hey, that sounds fun. Let's do it. So that is post that is up on the wall next to the Lord of the Rings print.
Josué:Okay.
Kayla:And I still have so much space left to go.
Josué:So are you planning on putting more stuff in?
Kayla:Yeah.
Josué:For sure. Okay.
Kayla:Okay.
Josué:So so now how does it feel? How does the space feel?
Kayla:It feels better. Yeah. My coworker, Teller Horse from home most of the most of the time and she's been in this week because it's finals week and is helping me is helping me with tester, like testing. And so she saw in my office, she's like, oh, this is cute. And I was like, thank you.
Kayla:I think it's cute too. I agree. And then she saw the Vault Boy today and was like, hey, do you watch Fallout? And I was like, yeah, I watched it. I finished it.
Kayla:It's fantastic. And then we talked a little bit about like playing that and Fallout 76. And she was like, wow, you do a lot of really cool things. And I was like, well, I don't have kids. So I can I have a lot more free time?
Kayla:You have a child.
Josué:Yeah. Yep. Okay, cool. And so so
Kayla:do do a lot of cool things.
Josué:And so they they're definitely acting as conversation starters.
Lara:Think so.
Kayla:Yeah, a little bit. I've had a couple of I've had a couple students who have like noticed the Legos, or have I think one had seen some something TTRPG related and was like, Oh, do you? And I was like, Yes. Yes, I do.
Josué:Do you?
Kayla:I do, in fact. Yes. Yeah. So, you know, they've started conversations about video games. They've started conversations about Legos.
Kayla:I've got this idea that it might be kind of cool to like, set up a Lego set. And just like students come in or people come in, they can like put a piece together on it and see how that builds itself out. But I don't know if I can like, whole keep myself back from like not completing the LEGO set after I open the box. So we'll see.
Josué:So so as an idea, you don't have to, like I I like that idea.
Kayla:I love I love your ideas, Josue. Let's hear them.
Josué:I think that's a really cool idea. One thing that I did that I would do if I had, like, similar to the idea that you're saying is you can get the I forgot what they're called. I don't think they're called plates, but it's like it's like the sheet of LEGO that you can use as
Kayla:a Yeah.
Josué:Right? And so I've put them on the wall.
Kayla:Oh, yeah. That's cool.
Josué:And then you can like, people can just like put random like one and like you're you're just building stuff. I've I've like for holiday different holidays, I would make Yeah. Different things. I would have different words on there because it's just it's like having a That's fun.
Kayla:That's cool.
Josué:So can invite people to, like, put up a few pieces or That's cool. Or something. Yeah.
Lara:I might
Kayla:check that out. Like the green the green plates. Right? Like the
Josué:ground plates and gray also. So
Kayla:will check that out. I'm here for that.
Lara:How'd you how'd you get
Kayla:them on the wall?
Josué:I just stuck them on with like those double sided like
Kayla:Oh, the
Lara:tape strips?
Josué:The Yeah. Yeah.
Kayla:The command strips? Okay.
Josué:Mhmm. Yeah. The the official Lego ones come in a few different colors. They make larger ones that are white and gray.
Lara:Interesting.
Josué:But there's third party like there's Yeah. Knockoffs that make really larger
Kayla:That's a really cool just in general idea.
Lara:I mean, I've known people who take like corkboard or whatever and get rid of the corkboard and put plates inside the frame. We framed and hang them on the wall. Interesting.
Josué:Yeah. Lego Lego is cool.
Kayla:I'm gonna look in I'm gonna look into that because that's cool as fuck.
Josué:Yeah. Yeah.
Lara:Then you don't have to worry about like just building the set and you just get to see Yeah.
Kayla:People do with it. Fun.
Josué:And no, this this one this is more expensive, but I think it's worth doing. Like Yeah. Which is mini figs. Like having
Kayla:Oh, yeah.
Josué:Because there's so many different pieces, like you can invite people to make a mini fig. Like, maybe your coworkers, like you ask each of them to make one or you meet somebody new.
Kayla:That's fun.
Josué:It takes it takes more money to, get all of the different mini figs Yeah. Like pieces and then, like, separate them.
Kayla:But idea.
Josué:If you go to a LEGO store, a lot of them have the mini fig station. Yep. And then you just pick the different pieces and you make a mini fig.
Kayla:That's a cool idea.
Josué:If you go like Comic Con or something and you go to the to the ones that have like the just again, knock off ones, but like, they have an of anything. You can get, like, random pieces. It's cool.
Kayla:There was
Lara:there was one year that they did a thing at the LEGO booth where I don't know if was the LEGO booth or not, but you could make your own LEGO comic, right, with you as a character. And then you also got to build your own minifig and they just had like a tray of pieces.
Josué:Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Those are cool.
Kayla:That's cool. I'm gonna keep that in mind.
Josué:Yeah. Yeah.
Lara:They're good for an office.
Josué:Yeah. Yeah. And and we're just talking like at this point, we're only talking about decoration wise.
Kayla:Yeah.
Josué:Because, like, we could we could move in another direction. If we have time, we can do that where it's like like, play therapist have toys and stuff. Right? But then there's this other piece of it where it's like, no. Like, this is my decoration, but we can also use it.
Josué:You know, like, there's no reason why we can't use my giant d 20, you know, for some for some, you
Kayla:know Yeah.
Josué:Random thing that we come up with.
Kayla:Yeah. I have way less direct contact than I used to, but I do I mean, I have a bunch of assistive technology in my office now. It's sitting in a drawer at the moment, but like if I were to put it on display or whatever, it could be, you know, a whole like, hey, go ahead and try it out. Right? Type of stuff.
Kayla:Yeah. I don't have that as much. I used to have like dice out and, you know, I'd have like magic the gathering cards and stuff like that.
Josué:Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Cool. Yeah.
Josué:What I'm sure you have things already that, you know, that you're thinking of putting up. But what is something that you don't have that you wish you could buy and put in your office?
Kayla:Man. Yeah. That's a great wow. What a question. You know, I man, what would I?
Lara:In addition to the Lego.
Kayla:In addition to Lego. Would like to get like I I don't have I obviously, most of the stuff I've taken has just been from, like, my space down here. Right? In my in my home, this is not a home. I wouldn't really call this a home office.
Kayla:This is just my basement where I hang out. This is my Kayla Cave, I guess. Think yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, I was thinking it would be kind of cool to get like a boulder's gate print or I'm actually waiting on Mary to cross stitch.
Kayla:She's gotten really into cross stitch as a hobby, and I'm waiting for her to cross stitch me something for the office. I don't have as like I would like to get some more, like, tabletop RPG stuff that I don't I don't nearly I don't have as much as that of that stuff. And then, like, some more subtle, like, pride things. Obviously, you have seen the pictures in my office. So, like, I have pictures of myself and my wife up.
Kayla:So, like, that's already there, but other it never hurts to have, like, more more things up. So stuff like that. K. I'm toying with the idea of bringing in this very massive, like, 26 by thirty four nineteen ninety four Marvel's Cosmic print that I have that used to be up in our upstairs living room. We'll see.
Kayla:That might be too much.
Josué:I don't I don't know. That's not Sorry. I don't know. Two by three is not that large.
Kayla:No. It's 24 by 36.
Josué:Yeah. Like two two Yeah. Two feet by three feet. That sounds too bad.
Kayla:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Converted that in
Josué:your head.
Kayla:Wow. Look at you go. Could not have done that. I don't, you know, I don't know. I don't know.
Kayla:Maybe it's bigger than that. Who knows? What I'm saying is I I haven't quite decided if that's too much or not. But it is a very colorful one. Right?
Kayla:Because it's it's like a Marvel com cosmic. So it's the and then everybody's like
Josué:flying everywhere or something.
Kayla:It's got everybody.
Josué:Yeah.
Kayla:So I've toyed with that because I don't have anywhere down here to put it anymore. Yeah. So Yeah.
Lara:It's hard to decide when you have so much wall space. Know. Hard to decide if you want one big thing or a bunch of little things.
Kayla:And if I take it to if I take it to work, then I have more wall space that I just got back from taking other stuff. Right? So I don't know. We'll see. Yeah.
Kayla:So I don't know. They've been really cool conversation starters. And I also think, you know, something that comes to mind, right, is not only does it project like my personality or what I want people to know about me, you know, But I also think because because I think about that intentionally and I'm not just leaving it blank or just decorating it with boring things, I also think about it when I step into like a colleague's office. Right? Yeah.
Kayla:And for example, my supervisor has a Jesus it's like oh, what is it? He's it's the Jesus figure from Dogma.
Lara:Okay. Yeah. The movie the movie's buddy Jesus. That's right.
Kayla:And I remember seeing it and I was like, that's interesting. I've never seen Dogma, so it took me a long time to figure out that it was kind of a meme. But then she's got a bunch of other stuff. Got a bunch she got like Pokemon stuff because she likes Pokemon, things like that. So like, I also do that to other people.
Kayla:I'll step and I like look at what's in their office space. And I'm like, what who is this person? Am I gonna like this person? Based on what I see?
Lara:Thing we have in common. There are something I don't like about this person. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
Josué:What is it? Laurence Rubin had tags before he gave his keynote. We were talking about how he actually had some really cool actually actually, let me talk about Laurence Rubin's office. So Larry Rubin, right, he wrote he's written a couple of books about pop culture and superheroes and mental health. One of the first people to really if not the first person to really write about that for for counseling, for clinical space, like, dedicated to that.
Josué:And when I spoke to him the first time over ten years ago, he told me that his office was on the 2nd Floor of a old movie theater.
Kayla:Oh, fun.
Josué:And he had old movie theater seats in his in his waiting room. So like they folded up. And that at the time, he seemed like obsessed with trolls, with troll dolls. So he had a whole bunch of little trolls everywhere. And he also if I remember correctly, he also said, like, he usually wore Hawaiian shirts.
Josué:Right? So this is, like, this is the guy. This is this is this is the legend, Larry Rubin. So when we when he did that keynote, he was he actually showed me a whole bunch of his tattoos. He has an enterprise on on his left arm, I think.
Josué:And then he made a stained glass enterprise that was hanging behind him. It was made out of stained glass. Like, I couldn't tell. I was like, oh, that's an enterprise. And, like, he he showed me, like, he zoomed in and I was like, oh, look.
Josué:Yeah. And I made that. And then he had a whole bunch of books, but he was telling me that he had a sometimes he has different graphic novels and books in the background and he put them on display when he's giving teaching or giving a presentation. And one day he had the book Mouse, the graphic novel Mouse. And on some versions of that book on the cover has a swastika.
Josué:And he was talking about, like, how a student immediately came, like, came to him afterwards, like, what the fuck? And he was like, woah. Woah. Woah. Like, let me explain to you what mouse is.
Josué:Let me tell you what
Lara:Very clearly a critique of the Holocaust. Yeah.
Josué:Yeah. Yeah. With mice. Right? It's like, it's a whole thing, but it's a very it's a very famous, very popular and old graphic novel.
Josué:And and but it's one of those things. Right? Like, you see something in someone's office. You you think things about that thing and the person who owns them. So, yeah, you never know which way that will go.
Kayla:Right. Mhmm. Absolutely.
Josué:I I have a poster that I really like. It might be one of my favorite ones. And it's it's a Phantom Menace poster. I know that might, you know, get some people not liking me. Although, you know what?
Josué:I feel I feel like that's different now. I feel like that's changed a lot. Younger people are much more receptive.
Lara:People moved on. They're mad at
Josué:At the sequels.
Kayla:They're mad at the sequels.
Josué:Yeah. Yeah. But the younger people, like, are really like, the people who came up on Clone Wars, they're all they're all in.
Kayla:Yeah. You know, it's it's an okay movie. I I enjoyed the politics of all of it.
Josué:I just watched it yesterday in four d for the twenty fifth anniversary. So it's on it's on my it's on my mind. But it's like, so there's this company called Displate that does Yes. These metal, like prints. Right?
Josué:And so sometimes every every month, they'll do, like, special edition ones that are really expensive. And I'm always like, I will never buy one of those. They're like a $100, $150. I was like, absolutely not. And then they did a Phantom Menace one that was just gorgeous.
Josué:And I was like, yeah, I'm gonna do that one. They did ones for all of the movies, but I I only I only got my favorite. It's beautiful.
Kayla:That's all that matters.
Josué:Yeah. I I really like this plate because and there are other companies that do similar stuff, but I just I just ended up buying this plate. They're they're metal posters. And then basically on your wall, what you do is you stick a magnet.
Kayla:Oh, yeah.
Josué:And so it's really easy to put them on and take them off.
Kayla:That is nice.
Josué:So I I have a whole bunch of them and I would switch up. I put movies up sometimes, sometimes video games. I have like series from different, like, different anime characters. I would like put them all together.
Kayla:That's cool.
Josué:Because, you know, you wanna mix it up a little. You know, sometimes you don't wanna put up a two foot by three foot poster. It's not so easy to change that every now and then.
Lara:Mhmm.
Josué:I really like that. There's a there's a there's a lot of stuff that you can they can put up. So you you've got an in person office now.
Kayla:I do. Yes.
Josué:But, Lara, you work from home.
Lara:I have an in person well, I had an in person office.
Josué:Oh, did you did you do anything with that?
Lara:Yeah. It was interesting because it was a company that was very, like, this is our style and our vibe, and yet, I still found ways to make it mine. I had a geek therapy pillow on my chair. I had, you know, a Switch dock, we all had TVs in our office. I had a basket of fidgets.
Lara:Most of them were like superhero themed, geeky themed. And then I also had a mug with pens that was, I think, I can't remember what it was. I have a lot of geeky mugs. So I was able to kind of push back and get what I wanted. And I put in a bookcase.
Lara:They didn't want any books in the office, the Any books. No therapy books, nothing. But I put They didn't tell me that until after I'd moved in, I had a crate from a craft store, a wooden crate that I put, like, a bunch of comics that I thought would be useful with clients and shoved that into my office under the TV. And the COO was she looked in and she was kinda like, okay. Well, at least it's not therapy books.
Lara:And like
Josué:Okay. Okay.
Lara:So very biased about she's like, I just don't like dusty old books in the rooms, and they wanted everything to be digital. And I'm like, you kinda don't know how it works. But okay.
Josué:But by dusty old books, does she mean, like, literally covered in dust or just, like, boring?
Lara:Maybe both. Maybe And I was like, I'm not hauling in books that I don't think I'm gonna use. Like, I'm gonna use the books I bring to the office. But
Josué:Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. I got I got it.
Josué:Just just it's like quick introduction. I did go to a therapist once who had a DSM, had a DSM four. And I brought up like, oh, I've never seen a DSM four. I've only ever seen the DSM four TR. Mhmm.
Josué:And she said, oh, I didn't know that there was a revision.
Lara:What? Even if I don't have the five TR, I know that it exists and I can Google and look up what the changes are online.
Josué:I'm telling you books, anything in your office says stuff about you.
Lara:My the when I was working doing therapeutic behavior services in our shared office, our billing clerk too, she was short. She used a d the DSM four TR to hold as a monitor stand. So that's how much it got used in our office.
Josué:As long as you use the most current one. I'm I'm cool with that. I think it works.
Lara:Well, the five came out while I was working there. So we did I
Josué:was purple. What color is the five TR?
Lara:Unknown: I don't know.
Kayla:Has the tr come out?
Josué:Yeah, there's a five tr but I've never seen the physical copy of it. I have a five.
Kayla:It is I also have like teal,
Josué:like a teal blue. Okay. Yeah, I've seen it online. But okay.
Lara:I prefer I I think I prefer the purple.
Josué:Yeah. It's bold. Yeah. Who
Lara:needs Okay.
Josué:So that was that was, like, your that was your physical office?
Lara:First office that was, like, my I I had a desk before, and I had put like, so much stuff on my desk. In fact, I still have things from that desk in a box that I have not unpacked into my current office. Yeah. I know Kayla's having a heart attack there. But this office where I am, it was hard for me to decide because I have two sides of the office, right?
Lara:Like, I'm a telehealth therapist, so there's this space immediately behind me. So what do the clients see, and what do I see? And there were some things that I'm like, oh, do I want that behind me? Or do I wanna look at it all day? Yep.
Lara:That's so And it was not a slow process. I had designed, I knew exactly where I wanted things to go. Sounds Behind me, I've got. Very on brand.
Josué:Mhmm.
Lara:I I I'm I'm a planner. Okay.
Josué:Oh, and what I like about that is because you're acknowledging how the office is just as much for you as it is for the clients. Uh-huh.
Lara:Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My chair is a Captain America gaming chair with a vibrating USB vibrating back lumbar support.
Lara:It's so nice. I've got Captain America prints on the wall. I have a huge collection of Captain America stuff behind me. Also, Captain Marvel. I put up a Buffy pennant for Sunnydale High, some prints from the Cartoon Art Museum that I got at San Diego Comic Con, She Ra sword.
Lara:It's really fun to see what people who meet with me, especially for the first time, are like, wait, is that? Is that? In fact, funny story, I was having a meeting about, like, leaving my last company. And as we're talking about leaving, someone's like, is that My Little Pony back there? And I'm like, yes, I've got My Little Pony.
Lara:Amazing. It it was an awkward conversation, but it was kinda fun that they picked up on that. All my RPG books are behind me. I have a shelf with my favorite hats because I wear hats as a therapist.
Josué:So I gonna bring that up. Just like I mentioned, like, I'm I'm like, the displates in the back. I found that the easiest thing to, like, switch up. You decorate yourself. So you always usually have graphic tees and a and a graphic hat, and then you switch them up.
Lara:And then and then a button up shirt. Yeah. Mhmm.
Josué:So right now, you have a Zelda hat, and then I can't see your shirt.
Lara:It's Taylor Swift.
Josué:Taylor Swift.
Lara:Which it was a I had it a a Zelda button up on over it. Okay. But and in front of me, I have, like, the Bird of Paradise LEGO set, a BD one LEGO set, a goblin that I crocheted. I've got some final a Tifa Final Fantasy figure. I've got so many things I've got miniatures from TTRPGs.
Lara:I've played a Buffy statue. There's just so much and like it's great to see like I said what people pick out Yeah. It is fun. Plan on in front of me I collect we've talked about this on the show, but it's been a long time. I collect pins, like enamel pins, and I wanna put a cork board in my desk to be able to put some pins up and trade those out when I'm feeling it.
Lara:Kinda like the disc plates, but small.
Josué:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's fun.
Lara:Yeah. Yeah. And my whole wall, Nina painted Arendelle in a mountain range and Elsa's castle on the walls of my office.
Josué:Like as a like as a big mural. Like, they take up
Lara:the And whole sometimes my clients, depending on how I'm sitting, can see Arendelle behind me. Usually, it's when the cat is drinking water because it's above the water bowl. Yeah. And to the side of me, I have something that I really wanted to put into a physical office when I had it because it's another one of those like, oh, what do clients pick up on? Mhmm.
Lara:It's a print from Something Terrible by Mayday Trip that has there's a scene where Batman brings them in when they're a kid, and there's, like, all these geeky not just superheroes. Like, there's, like I mean, I guess you could consider Ninja Turtles and Mighty Morphin Power Rangers superheroes, but we don't think of them in that in the same ways like DC and Marvel. Like, it's one of those things where it's like, you look at it too long and there's just like, I don't know, there's so many things. Oh, I didn't see that one. So sometimes when I go sit over there on my futon, it's above my futon.
Lara:When I go sit over there, I'll just like in between clients, I'll go look and see if there's something I didn't notice before sometimes.
Kayla:That's cool.
Lara:Yeah.
Josué:Kayla has a cat walking across I do. The camera right now. My therapist frequently has a cat. Joked that, like, sometimes when the when the video starts, the cat is just on her lap. Oh.
Josué:And she's just like, like, harassing And like, look like a super villain right now. Yes. Yeah.
Lara:My cat doesn't jump in my lap in my office anymore. She's asleep.
Josué:But Yeah. Yeah. So so I've I've had a combination of things over over the years. My first office, it was more low key. And, like, in the waiting room, I had a print of that.
Josué:So there's an episode of Doctor Who, where there's two episodes where Vincent van Gogh is in the episodes. And then in the second one, you see that Vincent van Gogh painted something he calls the exploding TARDIS. And so it's it's in the style of like Starry Night, but Yeah. It's a it's a TARDIS exploding. Anyway, so I had a huge print of that in my waiting room.
Josué:People would come in, and most people just assume like, oh, that's like a Van Gogh thing. But some people were like, is that the exploding Tardis? Right? I was like, yes, like, like, that, you know, they they got it. So and I had like comic books in the waiting room in my office.
Josué:I had a TV with an Xbox. And then just like a couple. I chose an Xbox because it was the easiest way to get Minecraft at the time on there. And then I had just like two IKEA, like open bookshelves with just a couple figures and a couple things like it was pretty it was minimalist. We were talking before recording about my space, my last space in Chicago, or behind me, I just put, like, it was just like it was my workspace.
Josué:I was building I was building Gundam models there. I had Lego figures. I had, like it was just it was very colorful. Like, I I fucking loved it. But I have a question for all of you.
Josué:Do you think it is ever distracting? Like, I feel like I maybe I went overboard with the last one. And so, like, depending on the meetings that I was in or with the client that I was meeting with, I'll be like, maybe maybe I should blur this. Not because I wanna hide it, but just because I think it can be a little overwhelming to the senses. Thoughts on that?
Lara:So far, haven't run-in. I also have a lot behind me. Although, usually, I take up more space than in the in the camera than most of the stuff behind me.
Josué:And your chair blocks a lot too.
Lara:Yeah. Exactly. So I haven't really run into that kind of distraction, unless somebody has met me the first time, and they're like, looking at all the things. Right?
Josué:Yeah.
Lara:But I mean, I'll even pull that into not not when I'm meeting with like, people at the company, but like, when I'm meeting with clients like, oh, what's something you're noticing back there? Right? And like, what's something that calls to you and kind of have a conversation about it? The cat is more distracting. Because she jumps up behind me.
Lara:Yeah.
Josué:Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Lara:So maybe my answer is maybe.
Josué:Have have either of you ever been on a call with someone where the background was distracting? Are you gonna
Kayla:get more distracted by the blurred backgrounds because I'm like, I want to know what your house looks like. Yeah. Like, what are you hiding?
Josué:Look, this is just my opinion. But I I do not it does not feel professional to me to have a blurred background.
Lara:Mhmm.
Josué:And it feels less professional to me to have a fake background.
Lara:Mhmm.
Josué:It just it just looks I feel like it's it's almost like a parody. Like, I can't believe that this is real life. Like, I feel like if somebody like, if you were parodying humans
Kayla:It doesn't look good.
Josué:In a skit, you would do that, you know.
Lara:I feel like it was a gimmick when we first switched to, like, everything being online and, like, I would play with my clients and, like, oh, let me flip through all these backgrounds. But, like, other than that, I don't use it.
Josué:Look, I think most people's cameras online look bad. And there's they don't have good lighting, like, all of that. So, you know but then on top of that, you add the the the fake background or the blur background.
Kayla:The fake green screen.
Josué:Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. It's another thing. Like, they're not using it.
Josué:Most people don't use a green screen. Correct. So like it's distracting that it's like your hair is coming in and out and like if you move back or forward. That that I mean, that's a good point. That stuff is way more distracting to me.
Kayla:I find it so distracting.
Josué:Yeah. Yeah. That's a really good point.
Kayla:Even more distracting because I know, like, I know how it should function. Mhmm. Like, I know how that's supposed to look and
Josué:You've seen good, better, best. I mean, that's not
Kayla:And I've done it too. Right? Like
Lara:Yeah. Like, Josue, I've seen good green you've used good green screen before that Professional. Your first place. I remember you doing something where like, you took a picture of the wall. Yeah.
Lara:Yeah. And you and green screen that in.
Josué:Yeah. Yeah. And I would mess with people. Like, I would snap my fingers and change the background. I used to do that in trainings and stuff.
Lara:I had a friend who made a video background on Zoom, where they would walk in to the room several times and, like, drink their coffee, check their watch, like that kind of thing. Just to screw with people. It was wonderful. They had a good quality camera.
Josué:And everything was set up correctly. Exactly. So it was Mhmm. Exactly. Yeah.
Josué:No. That's a that's a really good point. This stuff can be distracting, but it's like it's it's tech tech literacy.
Lara:Mhmm.
Josué:Right? It's it's, you know, there are ways to do it if you this is going a little, you know, beyond the the geeky part, but, yeah, I don't think so I guess I think what we're saying is don't worry so much about your background being distracting, like the stuff in your space being distracting because it's it's probably much less distracting than Yeah.
Lara:Mhmm.
Kayla:Than your hair turning purple.
Lara:Like, instead of blurring my background in my when I first switched to telehealth, I had boxes behind me, like cardboard boxes. We put a blanket over it and put some geeky stuffies on the blanket, and that was less distracting than me trying to blur the background.
Josué:Yeah. And I think I think the boxes, the something that you said before, Kayla, like, oh, what are you hiding? What is what is behind there? It is something it's like when I see somebody has a bookcase. Mhmm.
Josué:And if they're close enough, I'm trying to identify the individual books. Yes. I'm like, do I know? Can't read. Yep.
Josué:I had somebody who was using a fake background and it looked good enough that I I couldn't tell. So I was like, oh, have you like, do you like that book? And they're like,
Kayla:what book? Yeah.
Josué:They're like, what book? I'm like, the one the one behind you. She's like, oh, no. That's a fake background. I don't I don't like, I've never read that book.
Josué:I was like, what? Liar. Betrayed.
Kayla:You'll be putting books out that you haven't read. How dare? I
Josué:know. Oh. The horror. You know. I look, it's it's your office if you can have fun with it.
Josué:I think there is the part of this is the message I want to convey. This is what I want to say about me. Mhmm. This is how I want you to feel in this space. Right?
Josué:Like, think you I think you can be offensive. And some of them, you can also not be offensive, right? It's like, oh, this is this is my like, what would be an offensive version? Yeah. Like like getting a poster that says, you know, like, I hate the prequels.
Josué:Like, like, don't don't do that. Right? I think that now you're being negative, you know?
Kayla:Yeah. Yeah.
Josué:Like, if in my background, put like a bloody Captain America who just lost a fight with Wolverine or something, you know, like
Kayla:I like panel from the panel from civil war when when he saw dead and bloody Yeah.
Josué:Yeah. Something like that. You know, where I'm, like, glamorizing because I, like, I just hate that character that, you know, and then you're like, I I like that. You know, like, it can you know, you don't have to that's not the message you have to send necessarily with your with your geeky interests. Right.
Josué:Mhmm. There may be some messages that you do want to send. Right? Like and and and that's also completely valid. But if you're just, like, trying to be playful and and put a little bit of your personality out there, especially if you're working with, you know, you're helping professional, you're trying to help people.
Josué:You also don't want it to be like, how do you where where is the line between cup like comfort, right, like, and I guess distraction. It's like, hey, oh, this person Yeah. Has has interest there. They're they're a real person. They love they like cool things.
Josué:I feel comfortable here. They seem kind of playful. That's awesome. I feel good here.
Kayla:Yeah.
Josué:And I think equally important is, you know, decorating that space for us. Mhmm. Like, I that's why I was always
Kayla:I just spend eight hours a day
Josué:Yeah.
Kayla:Four days a week in this office. Yeah. Yeah. It's not gonna be just white walls.
Josué:Yep.
Kayla:Yep. And it's not gonna be flower prints.
Josué:I think I've shown before, like, have this black mug that on the like, if I hold it with my right hand, it's only looks black for you on camera, but behind it, it has a bat symbol. So it's like that that one's for me. Unless someone's like brings a Batman, then I'll flip it. But then, like, in front of me, I usually have an Optimus Prime. I have, like, a couple things that, like, I feel I feel and I can fidget with them and a few different figures and stuff.
Josué:And there's stuff like figures and stuff that I have for like shows that I really like might be a little more niche. Right? So I'm like, no. It's just that's just for me. Yeah.
Josué:But one thing that I've had in my background that I've I've I've it it is a test. I do have one thing in my background that's a test. Not right now because I'm I'm packing everything up. I'm moving. But it was so nineteen sixties Batman movie.
Josué:Right? Yeah. There's a scene where Batman and Robin are in a helicopter. And Batman goes down this ladder to the water and a shark comes up and bites him. Right?
Josué:And so Batman's hanging off of the ladder with a shark hanging off of his leg. And he yells up to Robin, Robin, pass me the shark repellent bat spray. Right? And then the camera just like there's there's just one more, the camera just fills up the whole screen. And and there's a label that says, repellent bat sprays.
Josué:And then there's like a barracuda repellent. There's something else. Then there's a there's a shark repellent bat spray. So he takes that can and passes it to the idea being that like Batman is ready for everything. Right?
Josué:Even in that nineteen sixties movie, they portrayed it that way. And that has been like a like a mantra for me. Like, it's like this symbol of, like, yeah, I I feel like I want to like, that's my ideal. I'm I've got a I've got a plan for everything. And so I bought a replica of the the battery the repellent bat sprays.
Josué:And it's always in my background and no one has ever identified so cool. It. It's a test that I will keep using
Kayla:That's really cool.
Josué:Until somebody
Lara:Everybody on this that listens to this podcast will know now.
Josué:Yeah. I mean, that'll be cool if somebody brings it up. But maybe somebody, you know, hoping someday, I don't know, maybe it'll be my soulmate. They're like, hey. Did you
Lara:There
Josué:you go. Is is that that? And I'm like
Kayla:That's how you'll know.
Lara:How will
Josué:I That's how I'll know.
Kayla:Be like, that's it. Let's get married.
Josué:Right now. Yeah. Then I whip out my my bat engagement ring that I always have. That's Ready to go.
Kayla:Always prepared.
Josué:Always prepared. So
Lara:Here Hero Within used to have Batman, like, joggers, like, tech jogger pants. I got them for Nina. They have a shark repellent labeled pocket.
Josué:That's beautiful. That's that's wonderful. See, I again, I think I think a lot of the stuff that we talk about, I think therapy has a lot to do with making like, how do we reduce burnout? How do we make our jobs more fun? How do we bring ourselves more of ourselves into this work?
Josué:And our physical space is a huge, huge part of that.
Lara:We look at things that make us feel good. Yeah. Make us feel like us. Right.
Josué:Yep. Yep. It is. Yeah. Yeah.
Josué:And again, like, I've been a client who is on like, I'm on the other end of that. And seeing movie posters and seeing figures and stuff in the background of my therapist's office made me feel great, you know, and I would bring them up and it'll be like, oh, cool. Like, it it changes the dynamic. If you're a psychodynamic therapist who has to be an open, completely blank slate, then this does not work for you. But otherwise, you know, highly recommend you try it out.
Josué:And if you're interested, start small, start small. And Laura, you've you've you have actually, actually, you didn't go into this. So I have a question for you. Mhmm. How what advice do you have for people who are confronted and asked not like to do less of that?
Josué:Because you have experienced that.
Lara:I've experienced it, but my saying, like it's interesting because I would get at that job, I would get conflicting messages. Right? I had the clinical director tell me, oh, you should wear your hats to the office. It helps you connect with your clients better and helps them connect with you better. And then, like, a week later, we're getting a memo from the CEO about or the COO about we're adults.
Lara:We shouldn't need a dress code. That was very much about me. And I still wore my hats every day. Think one thing is that argument that like, it helps me connect with people. It's a good conversation starter and it allows you to bring some of your personality to the place.
Lara:I know places, there are medical offices where my stepmom has worked and had to move offices. In the new office, there were like no personal photos, nothing at the office. And that was hard. So they had to figure out other ways to like, oh, well, I'll use this desk calendar or something. That's a good one to use too.
Lara:Pick a good desk calendar, a daily desk calendar. Because you have to have something like that. Yeah. It's office supplies.
Kayla:Desk mats. Pens.
Lara:Pens.
Josué:Desk mats. Yeah.
Lara:Mhmm.
Josué:Yeah. Mouse pad.
Kayla:Mouse pad. That's right. I have a Mass Effect mouse pad.
Lara:My desk mat is a Book of Boba Fett one with the Mythosaurus skull, and it has RGB lights going around it.
Josué:Laura, and on the hats thing, how do you feel when you don't have a hat on?
Lara:Not good when I haven't had a recent haircut.
Josué:Get it.
Lara:My hair gets unruly in the back. I have a really bad cow. Like, although now I suppose I could switch it out for a Yamaka if I needed to.
Josué:Do you feel like so is it like self conscious? Is it distracting? Like, is it just more comfortable?
Lara:Some distraction, some self consciousness because, look, my hair is a mess. It's sticking out everywhere. But it's not no clients have ever commented on anything or like looked at me weird for having like, I did at one point, I would time things at my last job because I would have mostly client meetings. And then when I would have a meeting with someone from corporate, I would take off the hat and I'd go like smooth down my hair. And sometimes it just didn't feel good because it felt like it was too long, especially in the pandemic when I wasn't getting haircuts.
Lara:It was really dysphoric. So yeah, there was that. And I don't know, now I have someone who cuts my hair most of the time. I don't wear hats as much as I used to, but when it starts to get unruly, I'm wearing a hat. Or if I know I have a client that likes Zelda, I have one that is their special interest.
Lara:So I'll pop on the Zelda hat on that day, Just to let them know that I'm I think about them, that kind of thing.
Josué:Yeah. Cool. Cool. Yeah. That goes into the thing again.
Josué:Right? Like, you you're probably more on your game with a hat on than without.
Lara:Oh, absolutely. I feel more me.
Josué:Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. I have gone on calls where I'm distracted by my own hair. Like, it's just like it distracts me because I'm like, oh, there's like there's too many hairs out of place or like, there's something going on over here and I will
Lara:Oh, and the telehealth software that I use now doesn't allow us to turn our camera off or like, turn our our self view off. So I have to look I'm a little thumbnail, but I see myself all the time. Mhmm. I could, in theory, put a sticky note up over my my screen there, but, like yeah.
Josué:Well, that that's funny because when I had, like, the crazy white black background with all the stuff.
Lara:Mhmm.
Josué:I mean, I'm always checking like, I'm always looking at my own view because I wanna make sure, like, I'm I'm in there. I wanna make sure that I'm, like it's like the way I have my camera, like, halfway down my monitor because I want it to look like I'm looking at people, you know, as much as possible. And so I try I'm always checking in the camera to make sure that I'm like, oh, am I centered? But then I can also like, oh, I'm looking at my cool background. So that's funny.
Josué:Didn't think about how yeah. A lot of people, they don't want their self view. If people use their self view more, maybe they'd see how distracting their blurry backgrounds are Right. And how how horrible they look.
Kayla:Please. I think
Lara:I think most people just don't care.
Josué:I know. I know. No. I that that yeah. That that that I get.
Kayla:100%. Don't care that your house is dirty. I care that your hair is clipping through the fuzzy background. It was really just That's a bug. That's a bug.
Lara:Zoom's like, oh, yeah. Like, back in the beginning, Zoom's like, yeah. Sure. It'll be fine, this virtual background. And I've got the gaming chair that goes up above my head, so it's constantly popping in and out.
Lara:Yeah. And Yeah. Nope.
Kayla:LOD pop. That's a bug. Maybe
Josué:maybe the most corporate thing I ever did at a at a job I had a few years ago was that there was like this big pitch meeting two days. It was like, it was huge contract, a huge thing. And one of the things that they wanted was that everybody to the entire team to have the same background. So I made something that like, tried I to make it like with a smaller logo and like had multiple colors. So like, it ended up basically just being like a slate of blue, like a muted blue.
Josué:And it was depressing to look at, but that's that's what they wanted.
Kayla:That's gross.
Josué:12 people. Last
Lara:company I worked at partway in was like, well, this is the long term. We're gonna be in this telehealth thing for a while. So they wanted everyone to use an official background that they Mhmm. Were photos that they took of the therapy offices.
Josué:So it
Lara:looked like you were in the No. I never used one.
Josué:That's I mean, I I understand what they're trying to do. Like, I get the sentiments.
Lara:But it had the same problems. It was so distracting. It's
Josué:like It's not
Lara:gonna well. Sitting in this Yeah. In this office in Oakland with this window behind me, but the window keeps disappearing and my chair keeps appearing.
Josué:Also, like, I'm assuming that most of those pictures were not taken, like, from the perspective that it would have looked like where your client was sitting. So it was, like, it was probably off a weird angle or Right. Or, like, this is the wrong wall.
Lara:Some of them some of one of them was of the hallway. It was, like, multiple doors. It was weird. But somebody actually was because we're supposed to post our current license where clients can see it, One of my coworkers actually edited one of the photos to put it in, like, a little frame on on the photo.
Josué:Just made it look worse.
Kayla:Not that
Lara:you could read the number the license number on there, but it was smart. Like, have fun with it. But no, I never used any of those.
Josué:Look, 2020 was embarrassing on
Lara:This was this was this was 2020. I think 2022. Yikes. No. 2021.
Lara:Yeah. Boy. Hope live in a wild word world.
Josué:Well, I'll, to wrap up, Lara, I'll ask you the same question I asked Kayla. What thing that you don't own currently, but that you would really want to have in your office space? Like ideal.
Lara:Well,
Josué:also, I mean, your office now not the office on the 2nd Floor of the of the comic book shop, you know, that your wife is running 1st Floor. Well,
Lara:so It's interesting because it's something So here's a half half answer. Okay. I do own it, but I haven't built it yet. Okay. I have a tall neck Lego set from Horizon Zero Dawn that I wanna put behind me on the shelf.
Lara:Well, actually, I haven't decided if it's going behind me on the shelf or replacing the going on top of the shelf in front of me. In front of you. Replacing the bird of paradise that's supposed to go on our dining room table. Okay.
Josué:Cool. So cool.
Lara:But yeah, that's it. I throw in another fandom that I don't have behind me or in front of me in this office.
Josué:My thing is I want an arcade up, like an arcade cabinet. More than one if possible.
Lara:Okay.
Josué:They're like, when Black Friday comes along, they can't they get really cheap. Mhmm. And I wanted to put one in the basement. In my Animal Crossing house, I made the entire living room is an arcade. Like like, when you come in, it's just it's just has machines all over.
Josué:And then there's a side room with pinball machines. But, yeah, I would like some couple of those one up arcade machines.
Kayla:That's cool.
Josué:That's my that's the thing that I would that I always wanted to have in an office space, and I did not. I don't know if I ever will, but it was that'd be cool.
Lara:If I ever have an in person office again, which I doubt I will, I would really like all the game systems that I had plans to put in the off I only had a Switch dock, and I had a PlayStation ready to go, and I just It would be pretty it would be
Kayla:pretty cool to have, like, an exploding I've got behind me here. It was a gift from friends, but it's the PlayStation one to PlayStation four, and they're exploded out. And then each layer has the first party PlayStation Sony games from that generation. I don't have the PlayStation five, but there's room up here for that print. Yeah.
Kayla:But I would I would like like one of those in in the office too. Think that'd be cool. You like brought us consoles, I was like, oh, it'd be cool to, like, explode them out.
Lara:That was a when you got those prints, that was a lot of fun to, like, look for the different Yeah. Like, games.
Kayla:It's cool. Yeah. They're really cool.
Josué:When I've done video game therapy trainings, I and I always talk about having games in your office. Like, like, right now, still the switch is your best option for a number of reasons. But I would always show this picture of this that I found online of this guy's house that was like, like, the entire wall is bookshelves, but it's just all NES cartridges. Cool. And as soon as cartridges, right?
Josué:It's like, it's very Yeah. With the CRT in the middle and just a couple of different just like NES and SNES and like the full library. Like, could do something like this. Like, I would love that. That would be cool.
Josué:But you don't need you don't have to. It's also hard to have, like, all the cartridges and stuff. So having digital makes it a lot easier. Alright. So that's it.
Josué:Final thoughts, Kayla, for the for for list for listeners.
Kayla:I I don't have any.
Josué:Fantastic. Thank you. Yeah. Lara, final thoughts.
Lara:Final thoughts. Be yourself so you're comfy in the space that you probably spend most of your life in.
Josué:Yep. Too too true.
Lara:Yeah. So true. Yeah.
Josué:Yeah. Geek out. Do it. Give it a try. See how it goes.
Josué:That's the don't be don't be just try it. Just just just do it. Just all of the reasons that you that are in your mind. All of the the the worst thing that can possibly happen is probably not that bad. So just just do it.
Josué:Just put put a Funko Pop out there. Just do it. Just just put some Lego to whatever Mhmm. Whatever you want. Thank you so much for listening.
Josué:Thank you, Kayla, for bringing up this topic and sharing your current, office building story situation strategies.
Kayla:Thanks for having me.
Josué:For more geek therapy, visit geektherapy.org. Check out our community spaces, which there are links to in our show notes. Yeah. Remember to geek out and they're good. I'll be back next week.
Josué:Bye, everyone. Nobody to say bye. Bye. You
Kayla:spoke too soon. I was going. I didn't know where I was gonna go. You're welcome, Link. I faced.
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